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JitLeangFoo
10-Mar-2017, 01:06 PM
Raised from caterpillar feeding on MAcArthur Palm. Unfortunately the wings are slightly deformed.
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Psyche
10-Mar-2017, 07:58 PM
Female Erionota torus.

Female Erionota have the antennal club half white above.
Males of E. torus & thrax have the club 3/4 white ;E. acroleuca male have the antennal club wholly white above.

E. torus: FW outer margin convex; HW discal patch relatively broad throughout.
Male & female.
http://dearlep.tw/images/Papilionoidea/Hesperiidae/%E8%95%89%E5%BC%84%E8%9D%B6_%E6%9E%97%E4%BF%A1%E5% AE%97%20DSC_6698_1.jpg
http://taibnet.sinica.edu.tw/uploads_moved/20090919_345470_Erionota%20torus_a.jpg

E. thrax : FW outer margin straight : HW patch more or less broad throughout.
Male & female.
https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/6a0100a801ee89000e0123de0f3c25860d.jpg
http://ataxus.com/ak5t/hawaii/j04oc15l.jpg

E. acroleuca.(research shows taxon hiraca is actually the later name & thus a junior synonym.)
FW outer margin straight; HW patch more irregular & narrowed in the upper half.
1 male & 3 female.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Erionota%20hiraca%20apicalis/Erionota%20hiraca%20apicalis%20(The%20White%20Tipp ed%20Skipper)%20...%20Sunny%20Chir.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s7fKLefxl04/VNN8sBiZlzI/AAAAAAAAQ4U/GhzhpdFkM4o/s1600/HFH_7488-White-Tipped-Skipper.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oGOIfwCnqFo/Voi16-GCzAI/AAAAAAAAlLE/5t1j1UrhHe0/s1600/WTBS_female_01.jpg
http://ftp.funet.fi/index/Tree_of_life/insecta/lepidoptera/ditrysia/hesperioidea/hesperiidae/hesperiinae/erionota/torus-2fv.jpg

TL Seow: Cheers.

JitLeangFoo
20-Mar-2017, 02:00 PM
What about this - E.torus or E.hiraca? This is a wild specimen recorded yesterday.
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Psyche
20-Mar-2017, 08:16 PM
Post 3.
Male Erionota acroleuca (= hiraca )

Underside HW dark contrasted ,speckled .The upper half narrowing of the band less obvious.
FW outer margin lower 2/3 straight.
Antennal club broadly white above.
Two males & 2 females.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-p2SDDi_BlEc/Tj1jDD42t1I/AAAAAAAAEkg/YJ_dIMpoeWQ/s1600/DSC1358%2BErionota%2Bhiraca%2Bapicalis.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Erionota%20hiraca%20apicalis/Erionota-hiraca-apicalis%20-%20sunny.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BTL8Ck0uBE0/Voi3fDADrhI/AAAAAAAAlMQ/1CazAK0k_BM/s1600/WTBS_female_04.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oGOIfwCnqFo/Voi16-GCzAI/AAAAAAAAlLE/5t1j1UrhHe0/s1600/WTBS_female_01.jpg


E. torus.
HW underside less dark contrasted & may have a washout appearance; HW band relatively broad throughtout.
FW outer margin (termen) convex from the apex downwards.
Antennal club in mae about 3/4 white above.
2 males & 2 females.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Erionota_torus-Kadavoor-2016-06-10-001.jpg/1200px-Erionota_torus-Kadavoor-2016-06-10-001.jpg
http://www.nbair.res.in/insectpests/images/Erionota-torus20.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Erionota%20torus/Sunny-Chir---EOS-1D-Mark-III--20_01_2012--0882.jpg
http://www.dnp.go.th/FOREMIC/NForemic/Caterpillars%20Food/Philips%20pet%20Caterpillar/img27%20march%2055/Hesperiidae/butt/Sub%20Hesperiinae/%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B 9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%80% E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%87%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8 %81%E0%B8%A9%E0%B9%8C/%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B 9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%80% E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%87%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8 %81%E0%B8%A9%E0%B9%8C%20%20%20%20Erionota%20torus% 20torus%20(1).JPG


E. thrax 2 males & 3 females.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/233_4665-933-55094553af268-1.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Erionota%20thrax%20thrax/Banana%20Skipper%20-%20Khew.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8369/8397324699_ba9fa0b6bb_b.jpg
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/ErionotaThrax/01ErionotaThrax_KrushnameghKunte_ag436.jpg
http://www.samuibutterflies.com/02_images/linkbuttons/butterflies/hesperidae/erionotathrax/underside.jpg


The three species can be very similar.
It had been stated that all records of Erionota on palms are probably E. acroleuca (hiraca) & E. torus & thrax probably feed only on Musa (banana).
Past misidentification have cause all the confusion.
The sdame authors state that palm leaves are unsuitable for the leaf rolling habit of E thrax & torus.

However, your post 1 female looks typically E. torus & may be a first record on palm.
If you can rear a pair it should clear all doubts regarding the species & hostplant.

TL Seow: Cheers.

JitLeangFoo
21-Mar-2017, 12:07 PM
Thanks Dr Seow. I will look out for more caterpillars.

Yes, the leaf shelter is different from the E.hiraca that I have raised before.

JitLeangFoo
07-Apr-2017, 11:55 AM
Found and raised two caterpillars feeding on MacAuthur Palm. Think they are E.acroleuca.
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Psyche
08-Apr-2017, 12:03 AM
Post 6.

Yes, this is typical E. acroleuca.

TL Seow: Cheers.

JitLeangFoo
12-Jul-2019, 12:14 PM
Last week I found 3 pupae on my banana.

This is E.thrax as the forewing termen is straight.
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Would the termen for these two be convex enough for them to be E.torus?
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Psyche
12-Jul-2019, 07:04 PM
Post 8.

Perfect. You have E. thrax & 2 E. torus.
Strangely they are all females. (antennal club half white).

TL Seow: Cheers.

JitLeangFoo
15-Jul-2019, 03:34 PM
Thank you.

JitLeangFoo
19-Jul-2019, 04:39 PM
I have another E.torus. When you said "Female antenna club half white" does it mean that this is also another female, as only the bottom of the antenna tip is white.
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Psyche
19-Jul-2019, 07:37 PM
Yes this is another female. The club ends at the bend. After the bend is the apiculus (tip).

Male E. torus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erionota_torus#/media/File:Erionota_torus-Kadavoor-2016-06-10-001.jpg
http://www.nbair.res.in/insectpests/images/Erionota-torus16.jpg

Male E. thrax.
https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/6a0100a801ee89000e0123de0f3c25860d.jpg
http://www.farelli.info/pages_books/butterflies/hesperidae/erionota_thrax.htm


TL Seow: Cheers.