ID help on various Neptis and other species of Meghalaya

[Saffron]

Dear Dr. Seow sir, I and my friend have photographed the following butterflies in Meghalaya, North-east India.
I have tried to id some of them based on my limited knowledge. Your help in identification is highly appreciated.

In one of the previous post by our dear Sunny Chir on my behalf, the below Neptis was identified as Neptis capnodes pandoces in this forum. You can find the link of that post below
http://www.butterflycircle.com/showthread.php?15098-Request-for-ID&p=129676#post129676

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Based on the discussion provided in that post, I have considered the these three also (1. a, b and c) to be Neptis capnodes pandoces?

1 (a).

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1 (b).

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1 (c).

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2. Neptis nata?

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3. Neptis nata?

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4. Neptis clinia?

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5. Neptis cartica?

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6. Neptis cartica?

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7. Neptis clinia?

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8. Neptis namba?

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9. Neptis miah?

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10. Neptis ananta?

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11. Is it Ragadia crito? What is the existence of Ragadia crito? Is it a good species or subspecies of Ragadia crisilda?

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If they are separate species, can you please suggest how to differentiate them on the underside?

Find this specimen photo on Basic Information of Butterflies of Kachin State, Myanmar (Part 3) by Shizuya et al. (2005).

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Thank you in advance.

Atanu Bora (Saffron)
Cheers:cheers:

[Psyche]

1 a, b, c are correct as Neptis capnodes pandocus.
I have to recheck everything because of the confusing underside colour.


Eliot states of taxon pandocus under N. yerburii. Underside some shade of rich reddish brown in dsf & purplish brown in wsf.
https://archive.org/details/bulletinofbritis1415brit/page/69/mode/1up?view=theater
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720170010.html
https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/the-yerburys-sailor%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B 7%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B0%E0%B8%A5%E0% B8%B2%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%AD %E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%8C%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%B9/

[Psyche]

2 & 4. Neptis nata.

3. Neptis clinia.


N. nata darker ;FW submarginal spots bent in slightly at apex.
HW discal white band not with a small white spot at the base of space 3 usually.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720190010.html
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/94_55362-890-5ea3e66ae75df-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/1514_57137-166-5eb55fcf7523f-1.jpg

N. clinia; usually browner; FW submarginal spots curved gently at apex.
HW discal white band often include a small spot at base of space 3.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720120010.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptis_clinia#/media/File:Clear_Sailer_Neptis_clinia_by_Dr_Raju_Kasambe _(1).JPG
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2016/97_15078-797-581ec13aaf858-1.jpg

[Psyche]

5 & 6 Neptis cartica.

N. carica & sankara are very similar, both having the FW cellend spot incompletely detached from the cell bar.

N. cartica. FW submarginal spots mostly separate, semilunulate .
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720300001.html
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/1_58553-169-5ec9544699d7b-3.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/523_17209-153-58bf75c86bc7c-1.jpg


N. sankara. FW submarginal spots forming a regular band with straight margins.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720270010.html
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/94_55594-738-5ea6c7435492a-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/1611_62672-514-5f0d6a07ada9a-1.jpg

7 is N. clinia.

[Psyche]

8 & 9 Neptis namba.

10. N. ananta

Three species can be easily confused.

N. ananta Orange yellow.
FW cleft between cellend spot & cellbar shallow ;notch in subapical fsacia deep.
FW submarginal band fades out at apex.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/1a_7/a-29254.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2016/279_13949-409-57de9c23b0d9a-1.jpg

N. namba. orange.
Cleft between FW cellend spot & cellbar deep; Likewise notch in subapical fascia deep.
FW subapical band absent or very obscure.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/1a_11/a-28770.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/1a_11/a-28774.jpg

N. miah. FW cleft between cellend spot & cell bar shallow ;notch in subapical fascia shallow.
FW submarginal band obsolete or obscure.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/1a_11/3040353b95f9895ec1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2014/97_629-905-543b3bad343f4-2.jpg

MisIDed N. namba.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/96_6636-329-5569a325c7833-1.jpg

[Psyche]

10. Ragadia crito.

Most people consider it a good species.

R. crisilda.
Upperside with most of the white bands darken except for the discal white band.
UnF discal white band about 1.5 X that of the width of the adjacent dark postdiscal band containing the ocelli. Correction : Dark band about 1.5X white band
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/94_3543-18-54c7703cd5a71-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/94_3543-18-54c7703cd5a71-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/233_4624-823-5509119729a70-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/233_4624-823-5509119729a70-2.jpg


Ragadia crito.
Upperside with white bands sullied but intact.
UnF discal white band narrow, to about 1/2 (at least in upper half) that of the width of the adjacent postdiscal band with the ocelli.
Fig 1 & 2 male & female.
https://archive.org/details/journalofbombayn05bomb/page/n245/mode/1up?view=theater
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2014/85_358-212-542773b32dbee-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/1611_63354-159-5f1fa422a524e-1.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[Saffron]

Thank you so very much for the useful discussions. This post seems to clear some of my major mistakes.

Stay safe and healthy sir!!

Cheers:cheers:

[Psyche]

Correction .

While the white discal band UnH in R. crito is narrow there are a lot of variations in both species.

It is not possible to be precisely accurate.

Rephrase.

R. crisilda UnH white discal band equal or to about 2/3 width that of dark postdiscal band (with ocelli)
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/94_3543-18-54c7703cd5a71-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/94_3543-18-54c7703cd5a71-1.jpg

https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/233_4624-823-5509119729a70-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/233_4624-823-5509119729a70-2.jpg

https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/85_8932-56-5621ae0ba1e7b-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/85_8932-56-5621ae0ba1e7b-1.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragadia_crisilda
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/40960010.html

http://v3.boldsystems.org/pics/CNSAT/CNSAT-55_D%2B1589891228.jpg
http://v3.boldsystems.org/pics/CNSAT/CNSAT-55_V%2B1589891228.jpg

http://v3.boldsystems.org/pics/CNNYM/SAT-Rag-1-2_Ob%2B978325200.JPG
http://v3.boldsystems.org/pics/CNNYM/SAT-Rag-1-2_Re%2B978325200.JPG


R. crito. UnH white discal band narrower, down to about 1/2 the postdiscal band.
https://archive.org/details/journalofbombayn05bomb/page/n245/mode/1up?view=theater

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragadia

fig 5 R. crito upper/underside. (1-4 new species)
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBkGFf17d6vEQIMqDQmzQma7cI2mJHU Ljg7Q&usqp=CAU

http://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27150&d=1623059253



TL Seow: Cheers

[Saffron]

Thank you so much sir for the overall information. After looking at those references and ingormations here, it appears that individual variation may occur in Ragadis sp. and therefore an upper shot will be a better option for their identification.

With the information and keys provided above, my try to id some of these. Please have a look.


12. Neptis miah?

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13. Neptis namba?

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14. Neptis nashona?

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15. Neptis pseudovikasi?

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Atanu Bora (Saffron)
Cheers:cheers:

[Psyche]

Post 9.

They are all correct.

N. pseudovikasi & harita can look very similar .


N. pseudovikasi. FW submarginal spots bent in slightly at apex.
FW postdiscal spot 2 usually rounded & HW submarginal band not chain-like.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/NeptisPseudovikasi/NeptisPseudovikasi_MilindBhakare_ar221.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/NeptisPseudovikasi/NeptisPseudovikasi_RohanLovalekar_aj857.jpg

N. harita ;FW submarginal spots not bent in at apex.
FW spot 2 typically pointed on inner margin & HW submarginal band chain-like.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2018/236_27657-888-5abf714c103a7-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/NeptisHarita/01NeptisHarita_SanjaySondhi_as945.jpg


This below looks to be N. pseudovikasi.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2019/1_19980-94-59c138f7ec1b1-2.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.