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Saffron
02-Jul-2021, 07:04 PM
Dear Dr. Seow, I am posting a Heliophorus sp. for ID review.

My suspect is Heliophorus moorei moorei, based on the keys provided by you in my earlier post.
The suspected keys are: outer edge of blue curve? Underside postdiscal lines straight and not wavy?
Self realizing: the tail is comparatively short than H. androcles?

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Thank you
Cheers:cheers:

Psyche
02-Jul-2021, 11:29 PM
It should be Heliophorus tamu kala. Correction : Heliophorus moorei tytleri. Correction 2 : H. androcles.

Of the tail, Evans mentioned only H. oda have a short ,a tooth.
The rest are considered to have a long tail of variable length.
Whether the inner margin of the black border is straight or curved is also highly variable.
Evans; taxon coruscans have been transferred from H. androcles to a ssp of H. moorei.

Following Evans.

H. moorei coruscans; FW black border inner margin 'straight'.
Brilliant meatallic green without a bronzy tint.
Kashmir to Kumaon.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2017/200_17552-871-58df474e5650f-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2017/200_17552-871-58df474e5650f-3.jpg

https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/1477_48847-213-5dee9f342028b-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/1477_48847-213-5dee9f342028b-2.jpg


H. moorei moorei.
Brilliant metallic blue; FW blsck border inner margin curved.
Bhutan ,Sikkim.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/1751_62259-536-5f07e84a6395d-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/1751_62259-536-5f07e84a6395d-1.jpg

H. moorei tytleri.
Nagaland, Manipur.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/97_845-667-545486265df22-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/97_845-667-545486265df22-1.jpg



H. androcles androcles.
FW border inner margin 'straight'. Actually quite variable.
Male brilliant metallic green with a bronzy tinge.
Assam, NE India Nagaland, manipur.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/848_51520-386-5e71c4ee41aa5-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/848_51520-386-5e71c4ee41aa5-2.jpg

https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/144_10099-76-565fbfaa35a59-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/144_10099-76-565fbfaa35a59-2.jpg



H. tamu tamu.
Male with powdered dark metallic scales. Specked look.
Kumaon to Sikkim & west Arunachal.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/94_7713-361-55c70bed9649e-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/259_7440-571-55b669131bc5c-1.jpg

https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2017/1_20073-785-59c48933f0071-3.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2017/1_20073-785-59c48933f0071-4.jpg


H. tamu kala.
Green much restricted.
NE India, Nagaland.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2019/184_45083-160-5d89b99f8fbe2-1.jpg



TL Seow :Cheers.

Saffron
03-Jul-2021, 12:17 AM
Wow.. I forget to check Heliophorus tamu..
Thank you so much for these valuable information. I often got confused with these variable Heliophorus. But I hope from next time, I will be able to id them properly.

Cheers:cheers:

Psyche
03-Jul-2021, 01:20 AM
Correction

This is Heliophorus moorei tytleri.


The shape of the FW green patch is a match for these two.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/97_1169-776-546595115ac42-1.jpg
https://
www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2016/385_10188-9-5666a42c0aa55-3.jpg

https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2016/385_10188-9-5666a42c0aa55-3.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2016/385_10188-9-5666a42c0aa55-1.jpg
The UnH red border have the inner margins rounded.


In H. tamu UnH red border margins are serrated, ie, sawtoothed.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/1a_7/be190.jpg

https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2017/1_20073-785-59c48933f0071-3.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2017/1_20073-785-59c48933f0071-4.jpg

https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2019/184_45083-160-5d89b99f8fbe2-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2019/184_45083-160-5d89b99f8fbe2-2.jpg

Identification based on colour in photos can be very misleading.


TL Seow: Cheers.

Psyche
03-Jul-2021, 09:44 AM
Correction 2


Definitely Heliophorus androcles.


I seem to have tied myself in knots here.
The shape of the markings is very variable in all the species & just comparing the patch is misleading.

Analysis.

The UpF patch is too green for H. moorei tytleri
The UnH red border's inner margin is more evenly level as in H. androcles.


H. androcles { UpF patch distinctly green.
UnH red border with the inner margins level in space 4, 5 & 6.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/94_23491-206-5a47483dbcd19-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/94_23490-400-5a47392903419-2.jpg

https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/144_10099-76-565fbfaa35a59-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2020/144_10099-76-565fbfaa35a59-2.jpg


H. moorei.
UnH red border's inner margins in space 4, 5, & (6) protrude more inwards so that the inner margins are less level, more irregular .

https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2019/113_45521-481-5d90f47831c7e-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2019/113_45523-413-5d90f6302ad6f-1.jpg

https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/97_433-912-542bfbe4ddaef-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/97_433-912-542bfbe4ddaef-2.jpg

https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2016/385_10188-9-5666a42c0aa55-3.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2016/385_10188-9-5666a42c0aa55-1.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

Saffron
05-Jul-2021, 10:03 PM
Whoa!!

I know they are very difficult to id, but your expert view and opinion always matters. Thank you so much for guiding so very well.

Cheers:cheers: