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Zicky
07-Dec-2023, 09:48 AM
Hi Doctor Seow,

Its been a while since i ask for ID since i've yet to step out of Singapore in a bit. With holidays coming, visited Penang hill for some butterflies and have a couple of ID that i would like to ask for.

1 - Amathusia friderici? Only angle
Inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193207215

2 - Quedara monthethi? The white banding seems to be touching the wing, but also a bit faded for me to tell
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193207242

3 - not sure which maplet species this is
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193207278

4 - Mycalesis fusca?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193220275

5 - Acytolepis ?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193220320

6 - Tanaecia godartii?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223665

7 - halpe sp?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223666

8 - Darpa striata?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223673

9-Euploea eyndhovii?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223686

10 - Euploea eyndhovii?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223691

11 - same size as a halpe porus, so im not sure which demon sp this is
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223694

12 - Euploea eyndhovii?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223697

13 - Euploea eyndhovii?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223702

14 - Allotinus unicolour?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223706

Penang was pretty nice and fun!

Skipping regards
Zicky

Psyche
07-Dec-2023, 10:24 PM
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193207215
1. Should be correct as Amathusia friderici female.
HW 4th band from base is irregularly constricte.
Upperside is very variable almost black in some.
http://www.jpmoth.org/~dmoth/Butterflies_of_the_world/05Nymphalidae/04_Satyrinae/03_Amathusiini/06_Amathusia/Amathusia_friderici/Amathusia_friderici.html

Very similar is Amathusia binghami.
FW median band is broad & strongly reddish.
https://www.worldfieldguide.com/species-detail.php?taxno=6870

Psyche
07-Dec-2023, 10:34 PM
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193207242
2. Notocrypta probably N. paraysos.
White band not reaching FW costal margin.


https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193207278
3. Pattern match Chersonesia rahria.

https://www.pamsbutterflies.com/butterfly/526/chersonesia-rahria

Psyche
07-Dec-2023, 11:10 PM
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193220275
4. Mycalesis fusca.

FW submarginal dark line forming border of marginal band strongly serrated.
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Mycalesis%20fusca%20fusca/MBB_adult_05.jpg

In both M. patiana & anapita the line is weakly serrate.
https://nlliew66butterflies.blogspot.com/2016/09/mycalesis-patiana-eliot.html
https://www.jamiun.com/tag/mycalesis-anapita/



https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193220320
5. Probably Celastrina lavendularis.
Rather worn .
Full complement of marginal & submarginal spots.
HW spot 7 larger & darker.
No spot at base of space 7.
Usually grey & well contrasted.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/observation/Celastrina%20lavendularis%20limbatus_1664889707_23 5599.jpg

Psyche
08-Dec-2023, 01:40 AM
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223665
6. Male Tanaecia iapis.
FW blue band broad & irregular .FW & HW band do not lined up.
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Tanaecia%20iapis%20puseda/Tanaecia-iapis-puseda-(Horsfields-Baron)---net.jpg


Tanaecia godartii.
Blue bands narrower, always line up neatly at rest.
https://live.staticflickr.com/4025/4714922838_90c893a8b9_z.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BtFF_MmdAeE/WpQR3LiHwPI/AAAAAAAAeLQ/stLUfAUA-x4BTereh6yN3Wzfz-P4kOSsQCLcBGAs/s1600/DSC_5129.JPG


Tanaecia flora.
Hw blue band broad tapers upwards ;FW band naarow & lined up. FW with obscure blue spots.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/37747868/medium.jpg

Psyche
09-Dec-2023, 12:15 AM
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223666
7. probably Halpe wantona.

This belongs to a pair of species stated in the key to be not separable.
They both have a paler discal area marked by dark interneural spots.
The diffrence is based on an educated guess.

Halpe wantona .
Interneural dark spots narrower with sharp ends, so there is always a postdiscal series of paler spots from FW to HW.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91410001.html
https://pbase.com/lcgoh/image/145434820
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Halpe-wantona.jpg


Halpe pelethronix.
Inter neural dark spots broad with rounded ends , so the postdiscla pale spots are much reduced often as a narrow band.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91400001.html
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0q94roSKJzU/U8yEfNvfLFI/AAAAAAAAP4Q/rUZaQpRec5w/s1600/DSC_0221.JPG
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rrMacC3tDt4/U8yEfEtjuZI/AAAAAAAAP4M/6zqVoFJletw/s1600/DSC_0225.JPG




https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223673

8. Darpa striata.
HW white tornal area with black marginal spots.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90600001.html


https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90610010.html

Psyche
09-Dec-2023, 07:23 PM
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223694

11. This should be correct as the female Oerane microthyrus.
The white band is variable ,There is no additional FW spts.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223694

Psyche
09-Dec-2023, 07:55 PM
9, 10, 12, & 13.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223686
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223691
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223697
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223702

The two species Euploea doubledayi & eyndhovii are very confusing in appearance.


They once were probbaly one species that have differentiated as E. doubledayi on the continent & as E eyndhovii in Sundaland.

When Malaya rejoins the mainland E doubledayi have gradually move south while eyndhovii moves north into Indochinese region.

E. doubledayi is only known mostly in the northern half of P. Malaysia.


Euploea doubledayi.
Lager, may be nearly twice the size of E. eyndhovii.
AS large as E mulciber or larger.
Male upperside appearing blue black.
Female UpF with several white spots.
UnH with the discal spots weak or obscure.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30640010.html
https://malaysiabutterflies.myspecies.info/sites/malaysiabutterflies.myspecies.info/files/IMG_0483.JPG
Thai ssp doubledayi.
https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/euploea-doubledayi/



Euploea eyndhovii.
smaller, much smaller than E. mulciber.
Male Upf dark brown without dark blue sheen.
Female UpF without white spots.
UnF spot in space 1b large.
UnH discal spots often large & clear.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30660010.html
https://malaysiabutterflies.myspecies.info/sites/malaysiabutterflies.myspecies.info/files/IMG_9506.JPG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euploea_eyndhovii#/media/File:EuploeaEyndhoviiMFUpUnAC1.jpg


It is doubtful if E. doubledayi have cross the sea into Penang.
All Penang records are probably E. eyndhovii.
Check the size.

Psyche
09-Dec-2023, 09:01 PM
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223706

14. Female Allotinus horsfieldi.
Hw postdiscal spot 6 under spot 7.
FW postdiscal band partially dislocated.
HW teeth with broad bases.
Pale ochreous markings.
Male.
https://a4.pbase.com/o6/25/686825/1/132321409.vm9lPhG1.AllotinusParagerydusleogoronleo goron.jpg
Females.
https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/allotinus-horsfieldi/allotinus-horsfieldi-permagnus/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gancw1/20356326209


TL Seow: Cheers.

Zicky
11-Dec-2023, 01:41 PM
Thanks Doctor Seow!

SL Liew
12-Dec-2023, 10:51 AM
Dr Seow,
In reference to E.doubledayi in Penang, would like your opinion on my "possible: sighting of this in Lily Pond, Penang Island in March 2023. It was much larger than most similar crows that I have seen.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/151267597

Psyche
12-Dec-2023, 04:37 PM
Dr Seow,
In reference to E.doubledayi in Penang, would like your opinion on my "possible: sighting of this in Lily Pond, Penang Island in March 2023. It was much larger than most similar crows that I have seen.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/151267597

I am afraid I cant tell if they are E. doubledayi from the pictures.

The Striped Blue Crow E. mulciber is a very common species, & E. doubledayi is around the same size.
The female doubledayi is also distinctive in having central white spots on the upperside FW.
In contrast the female E. eyndhovii is plain brown on the FW upperside.

E. eyndhovii is found in Penang. The status of E. doubledayi is inknown.


TL Seow: Cheers.

SL Liew
13-Dec-2023, 01:40 AM
Noted. Thanks Dr.Seow.