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SL Liew
19-May-2024, 08:39 AM
Hi Dr. Seow,
Can please help me id these observations.
#1 Euploea modesto? aglea?
Gua Tempurung, Perak - May 16, 2024
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216406224
#2 Saletara panda?
Gua Tempurung, Perak - May 16, 2024
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216406803
#3 Skipper?
Gua Tempurung - May 16, 2024
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216406243
#4 Jamides celeno?
Gopeng, Perak - May 16, 2024
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216220267
#5 Skipper?
Penang Botanic Gardens - May 18, 2024
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216650851
Thanks. Cheers, SL Liew
Psyche
19-May-2024, 01:54 PM
#1. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216406224
Male Euploea modesta modesta.
Several species can be confusing in fieldshots.
they varies widely in different regions so comparing shots from different countries can be bewildering.
Euploea algea.
UpF appearing blue-black with a dark blue sheen
Male brand very long & broad.
FW apex more rounded in the male.
HW submarginal spots more elongate ,reaching 4X the marginal spots.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30600010.html
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Long-branded_blue_crow_%28Euploea_algea_menetriesii%29_ underside_Phi_Phi_2.jpg
Female.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Butterflies/comments/oku18m/euploea_algea_malaysia/#lightbox
The next two species can look almost identical from the underside alone.
Euploea modesta modesta.
UpF with the basal 2/3 deep dark blue.
Male with the FW tornus excavated (cut in) Diagnostic, but visible only in sharp focus.
HW more triangular, ie sharper at the apex.
Male without a brand.
Smaller than E. midamus.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30500001.html
https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/euploea-modesta/
https://lepidoptera.butterflyhouse.com.au/nymp/modesta4.jpg
Euploea midamus chloe.
UpF with only the basal area with a dark blue sheen. more often with some discal spots.
HW more rounded, submarginal spots relatively rounded.
Larger than E. modesta.
Male with a narrow moderate brand.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30760010.html
https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/euploea-midamus/
Psyche
19-May-2024, 02:06 PM
#2. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216406803
Male Appias albina albina.
28531
Appias albina .
Lighter much paler.
FW apex vein 9 arising from vein 7 relatively long.( No vein 8.)
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Mx5lO2TBH4M/U2ILtBsD0KI/AAAAAAAAOEo/yqYWqG2_-tQ/s1600/DSC_0235.JPG
Saletara panda.
Male with sharper FW.
FW vein 9 which arise from vein 7 very short. (No vein 8.)
Vein 9 is usually absent in the female.
https://wingscales.com/Pieridae/Saletara-panda-distanti
Psyche
19-May-2024, 04:38 PM
#3. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216406243
Telicota besta bina.
At first glance just from the underside alone this suggest Telicota bambusae.
The veins on the HW band appear vague or not dark-dusted. This feature is variable & difficult to judge in fieldshots.
The 2nd pic shows the base of space 2 is fully orange.
The species which have space 2 base with consistently with an orange patch are T. colon, besta & augias.
In the other species FW space 2 base is black.
However some examples may have traces of orange especially in T. bambusae.
of the 3 species,
T. augias is deeply orange.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hp7OPF_eJ6Q/U6ZQMNh6IkI/AAAAAAAAOPs/KFaTN4_wis4/s1600/HFH_2956-Palm-Dart-(Telicota-augias-augias).jpg
T. colon have the FW spots staggered out& may be distorted.
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Telicota%20colon%20stinga/Telicota-colon2-KSK.jpg
This leaves Telicota besta bina.
FW with the base of space 2 with an orange patch.
Male brand slightly arcuate, placed against the inner margin of the black space.
UnH veins across band may be lightly dark-dusted & often raised.
28532
Males.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99204839@N00/186503785
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjhkE-Nfd3TPgx50YejXIvUjbi0_WV1SWSmZ2FD1ish9kSnDNEbkQ_j7 kYDa6h7sIEhhqcyDO3JBNGigkr8KDeZn22bZ-GsqjOq9jcezKQIdE2gJ-QeY63qCafhbwdGA595gthEXso-cOsN/s1600/TB_adult_male_up_01.jpg
https://www.yin-image.com/butterfly/telicota-besta/
Female.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjhUDTvZXfxubU14uMCqQlrpvo_N1XrSq2vFqo-1C2b4AyYsdUeS-OnJdMcsRUV0YQc_V4xXSYMHQKaVuPJO7dwS_74CNVwVTHHJ_wa oInoDS4MVyJps7BA0deVCrADKZCaWYZ5demYxAsk/s1600/TB_adult_female_up_01.jpg
T. bambusae.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dark_Palm_Dart_Telicota_bambusae_by_Dr_Raju_K asambe_DSCN4271_%2810%29.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/maanay/50385196348
Psyche
19-May-2024, 05:22 PM
#4. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216220267
Likely Jamides celeno.
It is too difficult to separate J. pura from J. celeno just from the underside.
The difference mentioned in the past are also not consistent.
However J. pura have straighter FWs.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81050010.html
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81060001.html
#5. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216650851
Pelopidas agna male.
Pelopidas agna.
Male UpF spot 2 & 3 narrow & rectangular.
A line through the two cellspots usually missed the brand.
UnH not grey-tinged having a clean uniform brown colour.
Males.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/118_9888-778-5655828b961e0-1_1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/622_68437-235-5f68736ba6310-1.jpg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhmhTwayv9_7yYNfe_RzQh6TXWYhtGDlGopE4xANGM1Mq qB7ktmWPnXcMpt1LMmK_7RZe-yQshL5fF4aVY4FKH6j56V9oD4uvMiLgnZatra9Q1Mj4cZUQdzF VbpbS3WNpA-69XcaRhIBoE/s1600/PA_male_06b.jpg
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Pelopidas%20agna%20agna/PA_male_05c.jpg
Female.
A line through the two cellspot usually miss the spot in space 1b.
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Pelopidas%20agna%20agna/PA_female_02.jpg
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Pelopidas%20agna%20agna/BengalSwiftF-KSK.jpg
Pelopidas mathias.
Male UpF spot 2 & 3 quadrate.
A line through the two cellspots always cut the brand.
Underside tinged grey creating an uneven shadings & a dirty look.
Males.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhZ0r_3l__7RDlGef00RM-yXV0rJoptLLDDU6OWc5meFIc_8M_EbdrB3gdBA9cJ9MFo-0KsGvlW8rH9WCRcNfR0wJ-tVJWTr-lulCyJ6lItie0WT5w8CQm7FN6pNj5nD10nkmTGA70VeqEE/s1600/SBS_adult_male_upperside_01.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/budak/51554050560
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/622_68466-353-5f687a6d3a539-2.jpg
Female.
A line through the two cellspots often cut the spot in space 1b.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhCxEv4qEojRNOe9KuCLsCnAj372672qkMMolY6aTev7-zCUOAKeOXRIELZVw31oOFK5OJd5POw9qVGec3g_VCAYH2TIRou pN5ZM9F90roTGE_hrOQLHzfHR6QboB01V2tgGeeqe095FSGm/s1600/SBS_adult_upperside_02.jpg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEikV4yBgrrocdxjFkems10lVno206Lx9R1q0chKNNZ5zM hHIJoAhOOxz70crSkX0VpXSzBbwxmNs5RNpolGUS-ba4d_b0am9fHCqvJIme9JmsjHrXFC0eohxXtzCV3nRecg1qebe Bu0aFIM/s1600/SBS_adult_underside_02.jpg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj2n2MZyHevInuTKoqqwzdwd-IePkB7vCmiSRGYwHd9h5472OIpePRFBKRGCIdbZEaQEjrAw41k ckoBqNaLBDt7hfp__o5bh4EU-zJdikiMnKghbjwjgCrn_dv9MP_g7aksdE_m16Uv84WD/s1600/SBS_newly_eclosed_01.jpg
TL Seow: Cheers.
SL Liew
19-May-2024, 11:53 PM
Thank you so much Dr. Seow.
Cheers from Penang, SL Liew
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