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sabafish
04-Aug-2024, 11:32 PM
Hi Dr. Seow,
Seeking your assistance to verify/ID the following butterflies taken in Vietnam, please.
Thank you!
1) Polyura athamas?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383597
2) Euthalia recta ?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383605
3) Euploea tullioius?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383604
4) Amblypodia anita?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383607
5) Amblypodia anita?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383635
6) Mahathala ameria?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383653
7) Curetis sp. Not sure which one it is.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383633
8) To be honest I cannot even start to find any clues to this skipper...
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383669
9) Drupadia theda?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383621
10) Eurema andersoni?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383648
11) Appias albina?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383616
12) Telicota sp. Not sure how to proceed from here.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383624
13) Miletus chinensis?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383681
14) Idmon obliquans?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383623
15) Mycalesis sp. Unable to proceed further.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631806
16) Terinos clarissa?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631812
17) Not sure which Ypthima sp. dry season form this is
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631796
18)Symbrenthia lilaea?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631798
Psyche
05-Aug-2024, 08:19 PM
1.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383597
Polyura athamas.
Recent molecular studies suggest the main population in SE Asia is P. athamas.
The Sundanian populations in Sumatra & Borneo is designated as P. attalus uraeus. In Java as P. attalus attalus.
The population in P. Malaysia is presumably P. athamas though this may not be the case as opined by Eliot.
2. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383605
Euthalia monilis monilis or as Euthalia recta monilis.
Some studies suggest there are two species.
They are very similar with the HW band broader in monilis, the red tornal spot is variable.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim2/722030001.html
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim2/722040001.html
3.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383604
Both Euploea tulliolus & eunice are so similar on the underside that they seem impossible to separate.
E. tulliolus.Singapore.
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Euploea%20tulliolus%20ledereri/45%20Euploea%20tulliolus%20ledereri%20(Dwarf%20Cro w)%20Bobby%20Mun.jpg
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Euploea-tulliolus.jpg
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30720020.html
E. eunice leucogonis
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Euploea-eunice.jpg
https://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot.com/2017/04/262-euploea-eunice-coelestis-blue.html
This looks like E. eunice, but field observation is the best judge.
E. eunice is large & imposing, & twice the size of E. tulliolus.
Psyche
05-Aug-2024, 08:42 PM
4. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383607
5. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383635
Amblypodia anita.
A. anita is purple above & the fore tibiae are paler, whitish.
FW cellend with a short bar.
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Amblypodia-anita.jpg
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Amblypodia-anita-parva.jpg
A. narada is bluer & the fore tibiae are more brownish.
FW cellend without a visible bar.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gancw1/3106582961
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Amblypodia-narada.jpg
Psyche
05-Aug-2024, 08:50 PM
6. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383653
Mahathala ariadeva burmana.
HW crossed by several irregular pale fascia.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4f/82705010.html
https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Mahathala-ariadeva-burmana
M. ameria ameria.
HW not crossed by pale fasciae.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4f/82700001.html
https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Mahathala-ameria-ameria
Psyche
05-Aug-2024, 09:03 PM
7. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383633
Curetis saronis indosinica.
Underside without black dots & wings crossed by irregular lunules running parallel to the margin.
Two possible species in the area.
Curetis saronis indosinica.
Legs banded orange to varying degree of red brown.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84090010.html
https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Curetis-saronis-indosinica
Curetis tagalica vietnamica.
Legs banded black or dark grey.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84110020.html
Ssp jopa.
https://res.cloudinary.com/ppc1/image/upload/v1684315543/nrhwjmki0zyiqplculjz.jpg
Psyche
05-Aug-2024, 09:27 PM
8. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383669
Antennae with the usual pale areas.
Female Caltoris bromus bromus.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93320001.html
The female often have HW spots but soetimes not.
The male is usually without HW spots but occasionally have them.
Singapore.
Typical male.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/184641820
Female.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/13664032
Female Taiwan.
https://live.staticflickr.com/6177/6192507160_55dd7ab1ee_b.jpg
Female Chitwan India.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sajan-Kc-3/publication/363417945/figure/fig3/AS:11431281133475713@1680291671843/Caltoris-bromus-Chitwan-September-2021.png
The only other species in which the HW may have spots is Caltoris kumara.
HW spots are only present in ssp kumara in S India.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/622_68495-132-5f6880e6b4ea4-1.jpg
Ssp moorei in SE Asia lacks the HW spots.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93350010.html
Psyche
06-Aug-2024, 12:11 AM
9.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383621
Drupadia rufotaenia vietnamica.
only two species in Vietnam in which the Hw bands becomes 'hollow' & delineated by black lines.
D. rufotaenia vietnamica.
28565
HW with the blackish quadrate spots in space 6 & 7 broadly overlapping & almost in line.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83090020.html
Drupadia theda
postdiscal spot 6 & 7 out of line.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83100030.html
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Drupadia%20theda%20thesmia/Drupadia-theda-thesmia-(Dark-Posy)-Sunny-Chi.jpg
Psyche
06-Aug-2024, 12:26 AM
10.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383648
Probably correct as andersoni.
The single cellspot look too central.
There seem to be something vaguely of another cellspot.
11. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383616
Appias paulina adamsoni.
Match the male from Trat.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/pie/20610010.html
Compare.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/pie/20590010.html
12.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383624
Male Telicota bambusae.
Medium, FW 15mm FW band broad, UnH veins not dark-dusted.
https://www.flutters.org/home/photogallery/index.php?level=picture&id=486
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q95509266#/media/File:Close_wing_position_of_Telicota_bambusae_Moor e,_1878_%E2%80%93_Dark_Palm-Dart_WLB_DSC_3871.jpg
Similar to T. linna ,large, FW 19mm ,band narrower.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh-5ETyha31-TTJisXtOhPqeWkDR1Jjk1hD1QuhoH5oB1YOQsd4v8zKPsCNhoU Wf5RRZy37sHE9AvbXmLSiU9V1uU2XNwbn13j-KRzRERQtuWt8kRGjIZ9vPFf_E5wNVzSq8QcVyZ-QDGg/s1600/Telicota-linna-Males---Horace-Tan.jpg
13.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383681
Likely Miletus chinensis.
Underside relatively clear , fW subapical spots aligned.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc2/80210010.html
Psyche
06-Aug-2024, 01:20 AM
14 .https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383623
probably Koruthaaialos rubecula.
There are forms which are brown.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91510010.html
Also possible.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91520001.html
15. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631806
Mycalessis malsara dry season for.
Striated ground pattern ;straight bands.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiePnALAhp0S4kZtCNB4u8R5D7MbzgWI_b7dry7jgxjcf 16CWnvk64HkqPF9bIeykhjBgeEh_jKG3mSVLvjhjoiL3lJka84 5HnKr-Gw2_vU7EOALnL7CTE6Pp0BgWhArET_YrqnalnVqzBS/s1600/Mycalesis+malsara+BV2.jpg
https://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot.com/2017/03/255-mycalesis-malsara-white-line.html
16. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631812
Terinos clarissa militum female.
HW with a serie of purple lunules near the inner margin of the orange zne.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hel/710280030.html
Similar.
T atlita ; lunules near the outer margin of orange zone.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hel/710270020.html
!7 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631796
Probaly Ypthima baldus baldus dsf.
Ground colour pale buff.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41000001.html
18. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631798
Symbrenthia lilaea.
S. hippoclus is not found in Vietnam.
TL Seow: cheers.
Psyche
06-Aug-2024, 08:24 PM
9.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383621
I did'nt realise there is a ssp of D. ravindra which is also similar.
Firstly D. theda is out as the HW postdiscal spot 6(hollow) & spot 7 (solid) are well out of line.
The lower postdiscal bands are also long.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83100010.html
The ssp (un-named) of D. ravindra is also found in S. Vietnam.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83080040.html
The important features.
1.In D. ravindra the HW postdiscal spot 6 & 7 are perfectly aligned forming a uniform column.
2.The lower postdiscal spots below are more curvy & U-shaped.
3.The FW discal band tend to be undulate.
The 1st feature is particularly constant ,as seen in other ssp.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83080020.html
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83080010.html
In D. rufotaenia vietnamica.
1. HW postdiscal spots 6 & 7are slightly out of line, with spot 7 shifted inwards.
2. The rest of the postdiscal spots are less curvy.
3. FW discal band is more or less straight.
This individual matches the female from Dong Nai well.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83090020.html
appears that whether the bands are ssolid or 'hollow' depends on the subspecies in most species.
TL Seow; Cheers.
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