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Shihan
24-Aug-2024, 01:33 AM
Bangladesh
1. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PWa8LMfqObsZh63wC5cI1zDHSR1NvzaS/view?usp=sharing
2. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yrSjfuYnlvaNTvRm-caPHLm2IMs-ve7i/view?usp=sharing
3. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PXz_Y7IVfYvFSkuxJ-83638UbEOeN7hH/view?usp=sharing
4. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WrOlFGJto4WVOCdgYiNCWvksQZH54AYY/view?usp=sharing
5. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ocLhn_O_Ox62ACBMRRbwW_Do_uQ-72R6/view?usp=sharing
6. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CM3QwMWNlBQsrAibBzY448liup0Dv-Qz/view?usp=sharing
7. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ryd2PJBbPD4WaJZgMvY14nGL7a1ryRvS/view?usp=sharing
8. up https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JQVna-FWRU5agbFDekwsSfYCfUrYWsIa/view?usp=sharing
9. un https://drive.google.com/file/d/13b7-rwJK3e8-TRrwm6qroCY7CwBYEQic/view?usp=sharing
Psyche
24-Aug-2024, 06:35 PM
1.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PWa8LMfqObsZh63wC5cI1zDHSR1NvzaS/view
2.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yrSjfuYnlvaNTvRm-caPHLm2IMs-ve7i/view
Very likely Parnara bada.
Parnara gets very confusing as most features are not absolute.
Antennae short with the clubs thick.
Subapical spots 2-3 ,aligned.
FW without spots in space 1b in both sexes.
UnH without cellspot but sometimes may have a diffuse white spot at the cellend.
Parnara bada. Spots yellowish.
FW without cellspot.
FW spots 2, 3, 4 generally quadrate ,equally spaced apart.
UnH with spots small & well separated; may be absent.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/206_36438-17-5be2873a183cb-3.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/206_36438-17-5be2873a183cb-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/944_34194-464-5ba63b792af19-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/944_34194-464-5ba63b792af19-2.jpg
Parnara ganga. Spots slightly yellowish.
FW often without cellspot, but a lower cellspot may be present.
FW spot 3 wider ,somewhat rectangular & nearer to spot 2 than to spot 4.
UnH usually spots larger and closer together.
UnH spot 6 usually absent.
https://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot.com/2015/08/135-parnara-ganga-continental-swift.html
Possible.
UpF spot 3 nearer spot 2 than to spot 4.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/1449_90228-393-617039905f875-2.jpg
Likely. No FW cellspot. UpF spot 3 very close to spot 2; UnH spots 2, 3, 4 & 5 ,without a spot 6.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/622_92603-40-61a9a40499db6-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/622_92603-40-61a9a40499db6-2.jpg
Parnara apostata debdasi.Upperside blackish brown with white markings.
UpF without cellspot, very rarely a small lower one present.
UnH spots white, a spot 6 usually present.
Ssp apostata P. Malaysia.
Female.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XGMVndBIWMc/VNgK6fPe3yI/AAAAAAAAT8U/IK6RdtMpvjE/s1600/DSC_0332.JPG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R1LW7DbcOyk/VNgK7w0RwAI/AAAAAAAAT8g/B1MxF3sWNBY/s1600/DSC_0338.JPG
Probable. Note almost black above but UnH spot 6 is missing.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/1611_87867-457-6148a9b21a7a6-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/1611_87867-457-6148a9b21a7a6-1.jpg
Parnara guttata mangala.Dark brown with white markings.
UpF almost always with an upper cellspot which may be a streak.
A lower cellspot is also often present especially in the male .Ssp mangala have reduced spotting.
UnH with spots often large ,increasing upwards in a stepladder fashion.
FW with a single upper cellspot.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/94_58108-260-5ec39c2124673-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/94_58108-260-5ec39c2124673-1.jpg
FW with twin cellspots.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/523_17054-56-58a8121f48ec0-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/523_17054-56-58a8121f48ec0-2.jpg
Added.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/26689187@N00/4808322814/
Psyche
24-Aug-2024, 09:08 PM
3. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PXz_Y7IVfYvFSkuxJ-83638UbEOeN7hH/view
Likely female Pelopidas agna.
4. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WrOlFGJto4WVOCdgYiNCWvksQZH54AYY/view
Male Pelopidas agna.
5. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ocLhn_O_Ox62ACBMRRbwW_Do_uQ-72R6/view
Male Pelopidas agna.
6. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CM3QwMWNlBQsrAibBzY448liup0Dv-Qz/view
Likely male Pelopidas agna.
The UnH suggest Borbo cinnara.
The subapical spots in Borbo is more arcuate ie a line thru spots 6 & 8 does not touch the middle spot7.
7. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ryd2PJBbPD4WaJZgMvY14nGL7a1ryRvS/view
Likely female Pelopidas agna.
It is always good to have two views to ID skippers.
Pelopidas.
UnH with a spot in the cell near the origins of vein 6 & 7. Sometimes it can be absent.
UpF with 3 subapical spots & 2 rounded cellspots.
The two commoner species P. mathias & agna are readily confused.
Pelopidas mathias.
Ground colour tinged grey giving it a dirty look, wityh irregular darker or lighter shadings.
Male UpF with the spots 2 & 3 quadrate or relatively broad.
A line through the two cellspot cuts the lower end of the brand.
In the female the same line may cut or pass close to the triangular spot in space 1b.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93120001.html
Males.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/622_68478-963-5f687d8457890-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/622_68478-963-5f687d8457890-1.jpg
Singapore.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhZ0r_3l__7RDlGef00RM-yXV0rJoptLLDDU6OWc5meFIc_8M_EbdrB3gdBA9cJ9MFo-0KsGvlW8rH9WCRcNfR0wJ-tVJWTr-lulCyJ6lItie0WT5w8CQm7FN6pNj5nD10nkmTGA70VeqEE/s1600/SBS_adult_male_upperside_01.jpg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUFqW-e_gqYy2dEBn6ZY2X5_eqJ_1Z0T0TcRkGUBMB9cfsAd2VTFImzX gtW86zya7VXlk0p0HWWzrWS5hu8lQ0cmN2CZ-ynmnp4L2ZkxLXB2de5KHISOiQJ7loXqhCH2Jtb6Aa2rM8gYbc/s1600/SBS_adult_Benedict_01.jpg
Female
Confirmed female Singapore.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEikV4yBgrrocdxjFkems10lVno206Lx9R1q0chKNNZ5zM hHIJoAhOOxz70crSkX0VpXSzBbwxmNs5RNpolGUS-ba4d_b0am9fHCqvJIme9JmsjHrXFC0eohxXtzCV3nRecg1qebe Bu0aFIM/s1600/SBS_adult_underside_02.jpg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhCxEv4qEojRNOe9KuCLsCnAj372672qkMMolY6aTev7-zCUOAKeOXRIELZVw31oOFK5OJd5POw9qVGec3g_VCAYH2TIRou pN5ZM9F90roTGE_hrOQLHzfHR6QboB01V2tgGeeqe095FSGm/s1600/SBS_adult_upperside_02.jpg
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Pelopidas%20mathias%20mathias/Small%20Branded%20Swift%20-%202%20-%20Sum%20Chee%20Ming.jpg
Pelopidas agna .Slightly larger.
Ground colour not grey tinged & with a cleaner uniform look; may be greenish ochre.
Male with spots 2 & 3 very narrow rectangles.
A line through the two cellspots usually missed or just touch the lower end of the male brand.
in the female, the same line will pass more to the inside of spot 1b than in P. mathias.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93090001.html
Males
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/1999_93277-24-61b215b7ddae6-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/1999_93277-24-61b215b7ddae6-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/622_68437-235-5f68736ba6310-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/622_68437-235-5f68736ba6310-2.jpg
Male with UnH cellspot missing.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/759_85741-286-611114fb1355a-3.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/759_85741-286-611114fb1355a-2.jpg
Thailand.
https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Pelopidas-agna-agna
Females
Confirmed Singapore female. Note a line thru the two cellspots pass well inside of spot 1b.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWjVh1qfw-9P8AHFtItITj99cpFUBfvtfX9NROU6-DzPTtwvML43tmUE4uaxF7fYXbWql1jGl4QUNE5SrtRc_zi1mdh cV_DhB53eQQTidUFOkwEIPFwWYIpS5Z-435nPtJpBb1fhOVq0k/s1600/PA_female_02.jpg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIjIEMEPKf9vbz5v4JVtYe3sYIArjKnOUOBXfEwFr4WO OC1amtDe2gKrawRB_fz8CFYwggyFexj04DrRhBwowoyyN-44m_hBCeq_McH1EcEwEybGXLZ5UTxbB6JEjoiaF5ne8iHHvqJH 4/s1600/PA_female_01.jpg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhLLX75Fd_Lu3TD9PJzTAaUGG-yS6_d-Xku27iqm2ydPpDbnBibQAVHMCoJ7DPOFGejnYS8AeQdG9-VmFg9fKKoBK1E0qAGDh7g9Y0TV-Qx5V0rzmKZj-AI4PN3VCJBhlW_PGA_6jyjhbo/s1600/BengalSwiftF-KSK.jpg
Pelopidas subochracea.
Larger species. UnH spot 6 very large.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/04PelopidasSubochracea_KrushnameghKunte_ak557.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/206_27769-431-5ac356dc394df-1_1.jpg
Three others, P. assamensis, conjuncta, sinensis are large species.
Psyche
24-Aug-2024, 10:46 PM
8.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JQVna-FWRU5agbFDekwsSfYCfUrYWsIa/view
9.https://drive.google.com/file/d/13b7-rwJK3e8-TRrwm6qroCY7CwBYEQic/view
Telicota bambusae male. Fw 15mm.
Male brand in the middle of black space.
Base of space 2 black (can occasionally be slightly shaded orange.0
FW spots 4 & 5 rather broad.
T. bambusae ,relatively small species FW 15mm.
Band appearing rather broad.
UnH veins not dark-dusted when fresh.
Female UpF cellend twin bars long.
Male.
https://www.flutters.org/home/photogallery/index.php?level=picture&id=486
https://www.flickr.com/photos/maanay/50385196348
Female.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/npict15c/92940001_n002.jpg
T.linna very similar but large FW 17-19mm.
Brand similar in middle of blaqck space; band relatively narrow.
UnH veins not dark-dusted.
Underparts paler.
Female with twin cellend bars short.
Male.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh-5ETyha31-TTJisXtOhPqeWkDR1Jjk1hD1QuhoH5oB1YOQsd4v8zKPsCNhoU Wf5RRZy37sHE9AvbXmLSiU9V1uU2XNwbn13j-KRzRERQtuWt8kRGjIZ9vPFf_E5wNVzSq8QcVyZ-QDGg/s1600/Telicota-linna-Males---Horace-Tan.jpg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyQCtmm-2ssskK4cQlGQc6huE3nef-SpWITsRMCS5ZwtACkXepsXoFNcgnuXNjcxdy9IWmsNUaTWrgeC muA90b_ki4N_QURrLiZ7MgS6e8e_LzQ7484mwN9IW9e-o9YVN5BIumVKUtgsg/s1600/Telicota-linna-M4---Horace-Tan.jpg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjS3nNVH1RkIOC-cS_9YB6dGWYosFQA57JOvn55EoWrKoVEYrqbUdNvOA8vTcLnKN QBdRVdcSi1rUpB-SMoFMfhAY-43XtJ29Ma_w9kbVPANKuKKNyhnZ6xC4kiMUgtA9I1CdY8t-MrKRM/s1600/TL_male_01.jpg
Female.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj9SqQx_qbrsZ8IrT0wSwQeW1sdfzF7-PPOb810npz_Eyd4kLiEPINFUABpi5RK6-TLoZdE0mjKob6tLnIZzH-QFt3uVa7XPzfEmqK1UIHWaLwGEpPDAcDaUoAEKyNWR55uXFOiP ayuffM/s1600/TL_female_up_01.jpg
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T. colon.
FW spots 4 & 5 somewhat distorted & staggered out from spot 3.
UpF with vein-stripes, shorter in females, or nearly vestigial in some ssp.
Male brand arcuate & nearer the inner border of black space.
Female Fw upper cellend bar longer.
Male.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/622_75204-439-5fbcd335451ca-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/342_92465-511-61a911bfedcc1-2.jpg
Female.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/observation/Telicota%20colon%20colon_1703742866_256318.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/observation/Telicota%20colon%20colon_1703742867_256319.jpg
Telicota ohara jix.
Both sexes with UnH band's band inner margin fairly straight & shallowly notched.
Male brand straight & very thin.
Female UpF twin cellend bars long.
Male.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh1878qa6F18hSuydadeuOSSMDjyPtmdLDuqVCGs2bJ9x HT_sl_QKy-0xU1p6onTyqYkaMMOewZhZbfZ5S4jvGUy_JR8dUCU-QHghoJGM7DLVj3LS2TKq8MloPAFKWaMtSFNmdootpwSyEc/s1600/Telicota+hoara3.jpg
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Telicota-ohara-1.jpg
Female.ssp formosana.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77600294@N07/17632334189
One or two more may occur in your area.
T. besta Fw 18mm.
Easily confused with T. bambusae or linna.
Base of space 2 orange( as in colon)
Male brand arcuate.
Female cellend bar ,the upper longer.
UnH veins more lightly dusted black & veins tend to be raised.
Male.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjhkE-Nfd3TPgx50YejXIvUjbi0_WV1SWSmZ2FD1ish9kSnDNEbkQ_j7 kYDa6h7sIEhhqcyDO3JBNGigkr8KDeZn22bZ-GsqjOq9jcezKQIdE2gJ-QeY63qCafhbwdGA595gthEXso-cOsN/s1600/TB_adult_male_up_01.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nveFPRTePYM/VJQurbQtDGI/AAAAAAAASmM/6NnOT8wd-qw/s1600/DSC_0296.JPG
Female.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjhUDTvZXfxubU14uMCqQlrpvo_N1XrSq2vFqo-1C2b4AyYsdUeS-OnJdMcsRUV0YQc_V4xXSYMHQKaVuPJO7dwS_74CNVwVTHHJ_wa oInoDS4MVyJps7BA0deVCrADKZCaWYZ5demYxAsk/s1600/TB_adult_female_up_01.jpg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMryYX_Mf97WgVsTQVmar0CME-kAQr1Q6q8AIz0zKdekEouByncNBSIH8LQ8G40yVrSVp-T2c_dDUNiZ1CTOyHEhoCG2Ya6RWICtgP_xfKZB85VXCer4oGlv qXSDn8BigGtT6Pn6Vlz-Gu/s1600/TB_adult_female_01.jpg
T. augias very orangey.
Male & female.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5336/9950853134_aaff7fdc56_b.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oeax9BCEjgI/VgoXgwcBG_I/AAAAAAAABhk/k60Yqt8YTVA/s1600/Telicota%2Baugias_female.jpg
TL Seow: Cheers.
Shihan
25-Aug-2024, 12:39 AM
Thank You
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