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SL Liew
12-Oct-2024, 02:50 AM
Hi Dr. Seow,
Can please help me to id these? Thanks.
#1 Notocrypta pria? - Sungai Ara, Penang Island - Oct 11, 2024
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/246768396
#2 Pyroneura? Penang Botanic Gardens - Sep 14, 2024
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/241602328
#3 Skipper? Penang Botanic Gardens - Sep 11, 2024
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/240964890
#4 Notocrypta? - Sungai Ara, Penang Island - Oct 11, 2024
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/246768394
Cheers from Penang Island,
SL Liew
Psyche
12-Oct-2024, 08:39 PM
#1 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/246768396.
From molecular analysis, Notocrypta is also placed as a subgenus of Ancistroides.
Notocrypta pria.
Notocrpyta pria. FW 14-16mm.
FW margin more rounded. No spot 4, band narrow.
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Notocrypta-pria-1.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BMW9lvjlepo/Wew9LrNuCkI/AAAAAAAAds8/SxcUBVNyo3YuD1a6VIq0pDwDE5nMpkcIQCLcBGAs/s1600/DSC_0353.JPG
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEimDGWUTWqiYuD5cbcnRlojmvFh4mV2JPDxMWaY5q0ene sFeNbqlx1TzS3aXwrmD22x59_YuLCnqqahUZOdZiUYasbpRxRF Dc76bM0P8jSpxH1Ivo6oC_nPNOHnWo14bF-6qA11nunQfJg/s1600/DSC_4962.JPG
Notocrypta paralysos varians. Fw 17-20mm.
FW spot 4 almost always present. inner margin right-angled. band often broad.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Notocrypta_paralysos_at_Kadavoor.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/2531782/large.jpg
Notocrypta clavata.FW 20-22mm.
Sharper FW, straighter band. very rarely with spot 4; UpF band reaches costa broadly white.
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Notocrypta-clavata-1080x718.jpg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photos/255488161/large.jpeg
Psyche
12-Oct-2024, 09:25 PM
#2. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/241602328
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/430617541/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/430617820/large.jpeg
Pyroneura flavia fruhstoferi.
As Yukata indicated three species are often confused and mixed up in the past.
P. natuna was formerly placed as a ssp. of P. helena.
Pyroneura flavia fruhstorferi.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92020010.html
The FW black ground colour reaches deeply to the base of the FW.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92020010.html
Eliot C&P4 plate 56 fig 21, 22 P. natuna; fig 23, 24 P. flavia.
Plate 63 Fig 9 P. helena male.
Eliot have also corrected Fleming Butteflies of West Malaysia plate 85, images 146 as male & female P. helena.
In the males of P. helena & natuna the fW base is fully orange , more broadly in the helena male.
Yutaka's images seem to be in error.
The P. natuna images look to be P. flavia.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92010001.html
The P. helena images look to be P. natuna.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92000001.html
Psyche
12-Oct-2024, 09:33 PM
#3.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/240964890
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/429386277/large.jpeg
Pemara pugnans.
FW spots yellow & shows spot 4 & 5 to be equally wide.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92180001.html
Recent molecular study indicate Pemara should be a synonym of Oerane.
Psyche
12-Oct-2024, 09:49 PM
#4.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/246768394
Notocrypta cirvifascia.
The two species are very similar. Antennae with a white band.
In N, feisthamelii has UnF white band reaching the costa ;in N curvifascia this falls short.
The band in N. curvifascia broader in the lower half & a deeper notch on the inner margin.
You dont have a proper shot.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91630010.html
https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Notocrypta-feisthamelii-alysos
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91620010.html
https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Notocrypta-curvifascia-curvifascia
TL Seow; Cheers.
SL Liew
13-Oct-2024, 12:41 AM
Thanks so much Dr. Seow. Your feedback is always illuminative. Appreciate them very much. Cheers from Penang, SL Liew
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