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ButterflyWitch
25-Oct-2024, 03:35 AM
Hello Dr. Seow Sir
1. I found this photo in my old harddisk; it was taken in the year 2015. My tentative ID is Hyarotis microstictum, as it has a yellow tip on the antenna and vague hindwing.
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2. This one may be Celatoxia marginata. HW base of space 7 without round spot, here is a triangular patch.
UnH space 1b spot absent.
It was taken in the year 2017.
Both are same individual
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Thank you in advance sir...:)
Psyche
25-Oct-2024, 08:11 PM
a.https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28661&d=1729794796
Looks to be a worn male Caltoris cahira.
The antennae are off focus but thereis a pale area. What appear tobe a spot at the tip is irrelevant.
Caltoris cahira.
Antenna with a pale area.
FW with two cellspot, subapical spots 2-3 ,usually 2 in the male.
UnH dark chocolate brown, often very dark when fresh.
Ssp austeni most of continental Asia.
P. Malaysia male.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/105432340
Taiwan.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg-ywZ0k7jFU9t0olAAd-RJSioLOs1aZ0cBjHsOQjjgrG6BtAtikkvwJtrJkWgFEI1z9BB5 55s6iqPa40-VAZSqpMX5ubjS7OMXVgL6t0rcGBHyDvP7nJXbh8606uS5ei7YN 4U14nfIoX05/s1600/%25E6%2594%25BE%25E8%25B8%25B5%25E7%258F%2582%25E5 %25BC%2584%25E8%259D%25B6DarkSwft20180822%25E5%25B 1%25B1%25E9%25A0%2582DSC_4609share.jpg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhw7YOhmcI6RDXaJWSIRyi8kLJQ1zikrzjU_Du9J-xgpTyzisE1OO82070NUc39HGswfhPsY75-9OOyIcvSigTjVDreNKQQeVjxLzfa6IpwUFOMjYq4R7sjsNkae9 a4LAA3OyI_cLEuZDn_/s1600/DarkSwift%25E6%2594%25BE%25E8%25B8%25B5%25E7%258F% 2582%25E5%25BC%2584%25E8%259D%25B620180711%25E6%25 AD%258C%25E9%2580%25A3%25E8%2587%25A3%25E8%25A7%25 92%25E8%25B7%25AFDSC_2366share.jpg
Female Singapore.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7l1dr3n_gKc/UNkf7-O6cQI/AAAAAAAAIJg/leZVbtGOi8k/s1600/DFP+2252+Caltoris+bromus.jpg
b.https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28662&d=1729794875
https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28663&d=1729794920
Acytolepis puspa gisca.
The dsf of A. puspa & C. marginata are so similar on the underside that they seem identical.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/80830020.html
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/80850001.html
The slight difference is the spot at the base of space 7.
In Acytolepis puspa this spot is triangular ,often with a rounded margin.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/observation/Acytolepis%20puspa%20gisca_1665607731_235029.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/observation/Acytolepis%20puspa%20gisca_1729765333_277348.jpg
In Celatoxia marginata, this spot is a streak or a very narrow triangle.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/1611_81981-682-608fce49c42a5-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/118_51253-399-5e668e5395439-1_0.jpg
In addition the UpF male of Acytolepis puspa have a narrow black border .
In C. marginata the black boder is broad.
However, the females UpF of both have broad black borders & look similar.
TL Seow: Cheers.
ButterflyWitch
25-Oct-2024, 11:02 PM
Thank you so much sir...
ButterflyWitch
25-Oct-2024, 11:20 PM
Sir, is it Celastrina lavendularis limbatus?
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Psyche
26-Oct-2024, 05:33 AM
Post 4.https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28664&d=1729866043
Most likely Female Celatoxia marginata.Correction: Acytolepis puspa gisca.
There is a small black spot at the base of HW space 7.
UnF with a discal white bloom due to the upperside with a white central area.
The combination indicate either C. marginata or Acytolepis puspa.
Celastrina lavendularis have no UnF white bloom. Most of the spots have white halos.
UnH space 7 base is clear ,sometimes a faint line.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/622_81299-55-607b4318341b1-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/observation/Celastrina%20lavendularis%20limbatus_1664975820_23 5878.jpg
Celatoxia marginata .
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/113_89274-425-615880b94f2fa-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/01CelatoxiaMarginata_KrushnameghKunte_ag753.jpg
https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Celatoxia-marginata-marginata
Acytolepis puspa gisca females.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/observation/Acytolepis%20puspa%20gisca_1706319579_265050.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/68064110@N07/15605514751/
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/observation/Acytolepis%20puspa%20gisca_1685609535_249979.jpg
TL Seow: Cheers.
ButterflyWitch
26-Oct-2024, 10:28 PM
Thank you sir....At last I got it :)
Ngangom Aomoa
01-Nov-2024, 02:01 AM
Dr. Seow, let me add few more in line with the above discussion. Kindly confirm the IDs. All photos taken in North East India.
5. Acytolepis*lilacea?
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6. Celastrina lavendularis?
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7. Celastrina lavendularis?
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Thanks
Psyche
01-Nov-2024, 10:35 PM
I made some close scrutiny of these confusing species .
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Celatoxia marginata,
FW without a costal spot 8. FW spots often larger.
FW postdiscal spots 3, 4, & 5 arranged almost at right angle to each other, steplike; spot 3 parallel & close to margin.
UnH base of space 7 with a very narrow mark/spot.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/CelatoxiaMarginataMarginataMFUpUnAC1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/97_5169-467-5523d7c3f2c3e-1_1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/93_20363-811-59d42da4d3fd3-1.jpg
Acytolepis spp.
UnF with a spot 9 at the costa.
UnH with a triangular spot at the base of space 7, often rounded on outer margin.
Acytolepis puspa gisca.
UnF spots 3, 4, & 5 out of line, with spot4 almost at right angle to spots 3 & 5. Likewise on HW.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/observation/Acytolepis%20puspa%20gisca_1725088995_274215.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/observation/Acytolepis%20puspa%20gisca_1729765333_277348.jpg
https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Acytolepis-puspa-gisca
Acytolepis lilacea
UnF spots 3, 4, & 5 mostly in line. or on a smooth curve.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/87_2098-501-548440b67f1df-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/AcytolepisLilacea_KrushnameghKunte_af852.jpg
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/80840001.html
Celastrina lavendularis.
UnF without a spot 9.
UnH without a spot at the base of space 7.
Spots with halos or white-ringed.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/95_3957-503-54e36c9c792ab-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/1695_60866-615-5ef16eccecdbe-1_0.jpg
Post 4. https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28664&d=1729866043
Correction: Acytolepis puspa gisca. Note presence of FW spot 9.
5. https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28667&d=1730393934
Acytolepis lilacea.
UnF with spot 9; spots 3,4, & 5 in a smooth curve.
6. https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28668&d=1730393987
7. https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28669&d=1730394013
UnF without a spot 9. Spots with strong white halos.
No actual spot at base of space 7. A dark vein is probably due to abrasion.
TL Seow: Cheers.
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