Id need help

[ButterflyWitch]

Good evening Dr. Seow Sir...

1. Any chance for Discophora timora timora?
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2. Rapala suffusa female?
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3. I'm totally confuse bochus with caeruleas. How can I differentiate bochus and caeruleas?
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[Psyche]

1.https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28671&d=1731330982
https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28672&d=1731331009

Male Discophora sondaica zal.

The three species in NE India.

D. sondaica zal.
HW rather angled at vein 4, tailed in the female.
Underside with a twotone discal band, an inner dark band & an outer pale band
Ground lightly variegated.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/ama/50510010.html
https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/Discophora-sondaica-zal

D. timora timora.
HW more rounded.
Discal band rather irregular & ground marked with heavy dark striae & spots.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/ama/50540001.html
https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/Discophora-timora-timora

D. deo deo.
Similar to D. timora but lighter.
UnH eyespot in space 2 with white pupil.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/ama/50530001.html
https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/discophora-deo/



2. https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28673&d=1731331132

Female Rapala suffusa.

Two species are rather similar.

Rapala suffusa . Female yellower.
UnF postdiscal band curved.
UnH speckled patch in space 1b occupy about half the marginal space.
UnH orange crown usually obsolete.
https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Rapala-suffusa-suffusa
https://indiabiodiversity.org/group/plantsindia/observation/show/15592553

Rapala damona.
Very similar but ground more orangey.
Unf postdiscal band curved.
Unh speckled patch cover 80% of marginal space 1b.
Orange crown on black spot more visible.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/node/128829
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/37774842#data_quality_assessment


3. https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28674&d=1731331210

Male Jamides bochus.

The two species J. bochus & caeruleus may look similar.

Jamides bochus duller , markings less contrasted.
Pale striae defining the submarginal band undulating, ie the marginal & submarginal bands are macular (spots-like).
https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/jamides-bochus/
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Jamides%20bochus%20nabonassar/Dark%20Caerulean%20-%202%20-%20horace.jpg
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Jamides%20bochus%20nabonassar/Dark%20Caerulean%20-%20Wong%20Chee%20Meng.jpg

Jamides caeruleus.
The male seem always to be grey, never brown.
UnF white striae defining the submarginal band straight & regular.
Male.
https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Jamides-caeruleus-caeruleus
Male & female Singapore.
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Jamides%20caeruleus%20caeruleus/Sky%20Blue%20-%20Khew.jpg
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Jamides%20caeruleus%20caeruleus/Skyblue%20-%202%20-%20Horace%20Tan.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[ButterflyWitch]

Thank you so much sir...

This photo was taken by one f my brother from Tripura...
I'm confuse between watsoni & norma!
Is it Ypthima norma?
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[Psyche]

Post 3.https://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28675&d=1731349975

Ypthima watsoni watsoni.
It is doubtful if Y. norma burmana is found in India.

The Ypthimas are terribly confusing in India.

The description (on 3-rings) below are largely based on Evans'.

1. UnF with the dark fascia forms a loop round the ocellus.
Not visible in fieldshots but suggested by dark fasciae either side of the eyespot.

1a Y. asterope.
Unh with all the three spots very small .Dsf may have discal lines.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/538_92887-575-61ae4ab0dbe32-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/118_78729-610-601837f11bdac-1.jpg

1b Y. watsoni watsoni.
UnH with coarse striae & ground is paler around the ocelli.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41170001.html
https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/Ypthima-watsoni-watsoni
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/npict4/41170001_n001.jpg


1c. Y. norma burmana.Also treated as a separate spp. Y. burmana.
Ground colour more uniform, finer striae.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41130010.html
https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/Ypthima-norma-burmana


2. UnF without a loop around the eyespot.

2a. Underside without submarginal fasciae.

2a1 UnH with the apical & tornal spots out of line?
Ypthima inica.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/626_19678-149-59b6b45063afe-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/03YpthimaInica_MilindBhakare_al003.jpg

2a2 UnH with the apical & tornal spots in line.
Y lycus lycus.
UnF with the striae largely absent.
See fig 9, 10.Und next page.
https://archive.org/details/mitteilungenderm341944mn/page/n593/mode/2up?view=theater


2b. Underside with submarginal fasciae.

2b1. Y nareda nareda.
UnF submarginal fascia increase in width downwards at tornus.
UnH apical ocellus not much larger than the rest, ie not larger than FW ocellus.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/observation/Ypthima%20nareda_1701614114_256169.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/538_51823-546-5e7f626f5f079-2_0.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/87_34368-29-5ba8c4abc67fe-1.jpg


2b2 Y newara newara
UnF submarginal fascia even
UnH apical ocellus much larger than the rest, ie larger than the UnF ocellus.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/observation/Ypthima%20newara%20newara_1667565683_238612.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/1611_59640-838-5edb6e85ef55d-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sites/default/files/287_53328-331-5e93fcbd5d5b1-1.jpg

2b3 Y. confusa confusa.
Rather similar to Y. newara ,no description found.
A larger mid-margin UnH triangular dark shading might be a clue.
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41150001.html
https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/Ypthima-confusa
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjxy4mOJmKrPBvsUGksHfwdGafjKixE4p7Q-1Yg_inTJy9nwklbtraPWY4XIjPF1xEKAK3TyprXscNkvPho_Px 40SLx-SHR4ldKplBXJ78n2jp7Z3FUxCMrdR7xRyDL89MMlRsZiR89uVR H/s640/HFH_3481+Ypthima+confusa+%25283+Ring%2529.JPG


TL Seow: Cheers.
PS. Selected images are what seem to fit the description well.