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Dear Doctor Seow,
i was looking through inat and i realise there are two species of white tipped skipper,Erionota hiraca and Erionota acroleuca. Do you know what are the differences or why is there a species shift which i may have missed out?
Skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 121.
As often in taxonomy there are a lot of shifts & turns, & this one have a fair bit.
1881 Wood-Mason & De Niceville described taxon acroleucus from the Andamans.
In the same year (1881) Moore also described a male as hiraca from the Andamans.
de Jong & Treadaway in 1992 thought Moore', name have priority, but this was later proven wrong by later researchers.
Thus the correct name would have been Erionota acrolueca (gender shift to feminine gender).Synonym hiraca.
Semper described taxon apex from Luzon, Philippines in 1892.
This was considered a subspecies of acroleuca.
This taxon apex was applied to all the forms in SE Asia.
Evans described taxon apicalis from Bassein ,Myanmar in 1932, & this name falls as a synonym of apex.
de Jong & Treadaway 1992 judged taxon apex to be distinct & different from the mainland population, elevating it to a new species.
The population in SE Asia is given the next available name ,ie Evans' apicalis.
Thus the population from SE Asia becomes Erionota acroleuca apicalis.
Some researchers also suggest the mainland population (taxon apicalis ) is different from that in the Andamans (taxon acroleuca.).
Thus the current situation if verified by DNA analysis.
1. Erionota acroleuca (= hiraca ). Andamans.
Note HW patch is very broad.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...3c185ca6-1.jpg
2. Erionota apicalis SE. Asia including NE India.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92340010.html
As E. apex following Evans' 1946 revision.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...abb545-1_0.jpg
Cambodia.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...113/medium.jpg
3. Erionota apex. Phillipines.
Currently here, this is best left as Erionota acroleuca apicalis unless later research into genetics prove otherwise.
TL Seow:Cheers.
PS. Note taxon = taxonomic name.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
i have a few skipper i would like confirmation for.
1 - P.omaha?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/144145310
2 - P.omaha?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/144145286
3 - telicota colon?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/143486761
4 - telicota besta?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/143486729
thats all
skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 123.
1. Potanthus trachala. male.
FW spot 4 7 5 no overlap.
2. Potanthus omaha. male
3. Telicota besta female.
HW veins lightly dark-dusted.
4. Telicota linna female.
HW veins not dark dusted.
TL Seow; Cheers.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
Another few skippers!
1 - pelopidas mathias?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/144291328
2 - borbo cinnara?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/144291326
3 - oriens gola?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/144291330
skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 125.
1. Pelopidas mathias.
Dirty shaded look.
2,. Pelopidas agna.
There is a HW cellspot. Clean look.
3. Oriens gola.
TL Seow ;Cheers.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
Belated Merry Christmas! i had a amazing day shooting butterflies on the eve and Christmas itself. And, in the spirit of holiday, i decided to go the extra mile to shoot a couple more skippers, while also revising some of my older observation, and i require some assistance on ID. A lot of one shot one angle wonders
1 - potanthus omaha?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145098926
2 - male quedara monteithi?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145098919
3 - Ampittia dioscorides?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145045544
4 - caltoris cormasa?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145045515
5 - caltoris cormasa?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145045513
6 - caltoris cormasa?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/144349293
7 - pelopidas mathias?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/144526146
8 - p.mingo?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/144847300
9 - p.serina?or mingo?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/144845654
10-i have no clue!
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/115727903
A wee bit heavier post today, gladly appreciate any directions as well!
Skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 127.
1. Potanthus ganda.male.
4th pic. abdominal end yellow; HW veins not darken.
2. Baoris oceia;male Dark antenna; FW with a crescent upper cellspot, & 2 small subapical spot.
3. Ampittia dioscorides.
4. Probably male Caltoris bromus.Two subapical spot; one largish upper cellspot ;Lack of reddish scalings.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...0036/large.jpg
5. Polytremis lubricans male.
Antenna with whitish at tip, followed by blackish band.
6. Caltoris malaya male.
Antenna club dark; No upper cellspot; subapical spots rdeuced FW& HW more even coloured.
7. Pelopidas agna male.
4th & 5th pix shows more uniform brown without smudges.
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Post 127.
8. Potanthus juno female.
P. juno; FW two subapical spots 6 & 7. Spot 8 absent or sometimes vestigial; Abdominal end darkish.FW spot 5 smaller than spot 4.
Thailand male.
http://www.samuibutterflies.com/inse...nthusjunojuno/
Singapore male & female.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eLxO6Cqrl-...it%2BBrown.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WroJpPq0U...Dart-KohCH.jpg
9. Potanthus serina male.
Large; FW spot 5 smaller than spot 4; UnH brown shaded; HW band with small spot 6 at upper inner corner.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...rina-Bobby.jpg
10. Potanthus mingo female.
Resembles P. omaha but abdominal end black, UnH with heavy dark shading.
Male.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f3wB2A2ujB...0/_MG_1531.jpg
Female.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...0607/large.jpg
TL Seow:Cheers.
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Thank you for the detailed explanation Doctor Seow
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Dear Doctor Seow,
I am reading the older post about amathusia, and i believe a few observation on inat in Singapore is not the usual Amathusia Phidipus
1 - inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145351952
The 4th banding seems like the usual A.phidipus,but the submarginal line seems very wavy? This does not seem to appear for other A.phidipus. This specimen seem to be very large as well
2 - inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/143352856
This is without a doubt NOT a A.phidipus, thats the conclusion i arrive, possibly A.perakana?
3 - inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/120118817
The notching seems a bit more subtle here, but i think this isnt A.phidipus?
4 - inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/99351622
this seems also a little fishy as well
skipping regards
Zicky
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Dear Doctor Seow,
Happy new year, i brought a new nikon camera and i am now able to shoot from a further distance away. I would like to hear your opinions on the following.
1 - Lasippa tiga?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146024170
2 - abisara sp
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146024159
3 - taxila harquinus?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146024154
4 - hidari irava? One shot wonders, sadly no other angles
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146024146
5 - miletus sp
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146024126
a newfound camera has now provided me the reach i so badly needed in the past. Guess i will have more observation in the future!
Skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 133.
1. Lasippa tiga typical.
2. Abisara geza . HW tornal spots are rounded.
3. Taxila haquinus. FW subapical zone marked by diffuse streaks.
4. Hidari irava. Dark dpots on HW. resolution poor.
5. Miletus biggsii.
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
Another exciting day of skippers
1 - prominent black band, disconnected fw space 4 and 5, is this P.trachala? or p.mingo?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146109283
2 - Pelopidas mathias?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146109284
3 - Pelopidas mathias?
inat link -https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146109278
4 - Pelipidas or telicota? I am not sure why i am so dumbstruck by this one
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146109285
Skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 135.
1. Potanthus trachala male.
2. Pelopidas mathias female . Strong grey tinged.
3.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146109278
Pelopidas mathias sex unknown.
4. This sort of single view is very difficult.
Female Potanthus probably P. omaha.
Telicota 'FW subapical spots joined to the costal & cell stripes.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...d25428ab-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...7ca1d434-1.jpg
Potanthus; FW subapical spots well separated from the costal & cellstripes.
Male & female.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...995_236299.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...495_236702.jpg
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
This recent observation of a amathusia is not a A.phidippus to me, and i would like to hear your opinions given that the wing has the notch features as u mention previously.
Inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146107976
Skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 137.
I would think it is more likely to be A. friderici.
However, I won't push for it as there is a gradation of the intermediates between them.
It is much like the difference between Mycalesis visala & perseoides, Ypthima baldus& horsfieldi & many more.
If someone could make a collection of the Palm Kings in Pulau Ubin, where the friderici form is common, the picture would be clearer.
TL Seow; Cheers.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
Here are some tricky skipper which are not in pristine condition and i only manage a few shots, i would like to hear ur opinions
1 - caltoris cormasa?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146521574
2 - i really have no clue but it seems rather pelopidas
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146521576
3 - potanthus omaha? seems a bit funny
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146599723
4 - erionota torus? more rounded forewing edges
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/146599750
skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 139
1. Caltoris cormasa. Deeper redder HW, paler FW.
2. Baoris probably B. oceia. Uniform grey brown. reduced spots.
3. Female Potanthus omaha.veins all dark.
4. Male Erionota torus. convex FW margin.
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
Vhinese new year is around the corner, so happy chinese new year! I took the eve to revisit mandai, a place close to home that spark the many interest in skippers. So as a "homecoming", i have a couple of skipper i would like ur opinion of
1 - telicota species, i am not sure of this one
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147009698
2 - contigious swift? the spots seems a bit weird, but it flew fast and out of reach
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147009713
3 - dark banded ace
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147009732
4 - contigious swift
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147009733
5 - large dart
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147009734
6 - pelopidas? or borbo?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147009736
7 - besta palm dart?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147009741
Skipping regards and Happy chinese new year!!
Zicky
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Firstly, Happy Chinese New Year to all celebrating it.
Post 141.
I amm afraid your images are getting smaller than when you are using your handphone.
1. Potanthus ?omaha.
The distortion causes the spots to appear close together.
The abdominal end is yellow (No Telicota has that.).
2. Caltoris comarsa
The antennae have prominent pale area.
FW cell only a small lower cellspot.
3 Halpe ormenes.
A 2nd recorded species, Halpe elana have narrow yellow band. It is extinct.
4. Polytremis lubricans.
From the antenna & the ochreous colour.
5. Potanthus serina.
Abdominal end black-banded; UnH brown shaded, spot 6 small; UnF spot 5 smaller than spot 4.
6. Baoris female probably B. farri.
UnH no spots ;Antennae black. longer profile shape, ochroeus brown.
7. Male Telicota colon.
Note FW spots 3, 4, & 5 are all staggered outwards.
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
Yes, my image has gotten quite smaller, i do notice that as well. I didnt afford a macro lens for the camera so im using a 50mm to 250mm lens to shoot, and thus i cant really get some very close images at some time. I will crop accordingly next time to make it easier to view. I do however, find the ability to shoot from a further distance much more valuable that i can get some species that do not permit me to shoot from a close distance
Skipping regards
Zicky
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Dear Doctor Seow,
I have shot some skipper, and i tried to make my image a wee bit bigger through more zooming in, would like to hear ur opinions.
1 - Caltoris cormasa
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147600346
2 - potanthus omaha? but unusually small, small as a Taractrocera archias
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147600337
3 - pelopidas mathias
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147600332
4 - pelopidas mathias
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147600298
a few attempt to improve the shots
skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 144.
1. Caltoris cormasamale.
Typical . reddish tone ;pale area on antennae.
2. Female Potanthus omaha
Antennae as for Potanthus.
3, & 4,Pelopidas mathias males.
Typical with irregular & grey shadings.
TL Seow: CHeers.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
I am much more unlucky today, got some far shots of some skippers only, would like to ask for IDs
1 - telicota or potanthus? Theres a black band at the abdomen end, yet the wing suggest something like a potanthus
inat link https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147818038
2-P.omaha?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147818017
Skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 146.
1 Female Potanthus trachala.
There is a HW spot 7 (only seen in Potanthus). FW spots 4 & 5 detached.
2. Male Potanthus omaha.
The abdominal end is yellow although there is a stronger black line than usual.
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
the syzygium tree has flowered at dairy farm, so i took the opportunity to skip school and shoot some butterfly. I hereby need some help, though the shots might be less than desirable
1 - Hasora chromus or Hasora vitta?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/148255264
2 - mystery skipper
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/148255260
3 - a diff mystery skipper
inat link-https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/148255241
4 - Deudorix epijarbas or Deudorix staudingeri?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/148255249
Skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 148.
No. 1.
Hasora chromus.
It seem we may have mixed up the species in the past.
They are very variable & it is difficult to fit the descriptions of Evans & Eliots together.
Hasora vitta vitta.
1. FW always with a yellow subapical spot 6.
2. HW ground colour pale slatey green/blue, distally purple brown, ie. two-toned.
3. HW band at least 2mm wide, outer margin diffuse , inner margin regular, or both regular.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6130/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...4783/large.jpg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...373/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...255/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...0479/large.jpg
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90250001.html
Hasora chromus chromus.
1. FW almost always without a spot 6 in the male, but often present in the female.
2. Ground colour uniform pale purplish brown.
3. HW band usually less than 2mm, outwardly diffuse, inner margin with small shallow notches.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...4069/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama.../original.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...855/large.jpeg
Females 2nd pix onwards with FW spot 6.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...177/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...7232/large.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...female_03x.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...20-%20Khew.jpg
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90210001.html
Hasora malayana/ or as H.taminatus malayana.
1. FW always without a spot 6.
2 Ground colour steely blue or green basally/ deep purple brown.
3HW white band typically narrow. with irregular margins.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2516/large.jpg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...676/large.jpeg
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90220010.html
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Post 148.
No. 2. Caltoris malaya female.
FW no cellspot, rounded FWs.
Only two Caltoris species have the FW without cellspot.
The other is C. philippina. which is greenish ochreous.
No. 4.
Deudorix epijarbas.
FW postdiscal white striae on the band stronger over the dark striae.
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Post 148.
Permara pugnans
Note all black downturned antennal clubs.
Attachment 28175
In the 2nd pic the black smudges around yellow spots can be seen.
Usually recognised by its granular appearance, but the resolution is not high enough.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...wbutterfly/268
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
I pass by this interesting observation on inat which i aint too sure what it is, i would like to hear your opinion! It has short stubby antenna, which it caught my eyes
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/149462008
Skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 152.
Parnara bada.
P. bada is recognised by its short antennae & thick stubby clubs.
The underside spots are very variable, small & often much reduced.
The main spot here is in space 3, a faint one in space 2 & a dark smudge in space 4.
Examples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parnar...-09-09-001.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/budak/51925620691
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
The recent weather is horrible for any form of butterflies, but great for shooting Leptosia nina
I did manage to shoot this tajuria today. What are your opinions of this tajuria?
Attachment 28193
Attachment 28194
Attachment 28195
Skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 154.
Male Tajuria deudorix ingeni.
You can see the postdiscal band/line in space 3 is very straight & fully detached.
The postdiscal 'V' in space 1b is very shallow.
The shorter palpi indicate a male.
Male.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...le__03800x.jpg
Female.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...a_deudorix.jpg
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Thanks for the ID Doctor Seow!
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Dear Doctor Seow,
Someone recently posted this eggfly, would this be a great eggfly or danaid eggfly?
Attachment 28196
I am really confuse by the bigger egg like spot on the upperside
skipping regards
Zicky
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Post 157.
Male Hypolimnas bolina.
The two species can be confused mainly because in photos some examples of H. bolina seem to have large spots.
Hypolimnas bolina.
Male
1. Apical spots two rarely some extra white shadings.
2. FW discal white patch comprise three main spots, sometimes some additional white shadings.
3. HW discal white patch small ,its inner border only near the origins (bifurcation) of veins 3 & 4.
4. Underside HW white band narrow, no black bar in space 7.
Males.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z3LwDsdXa...gflyM-KSK2.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fnKRZc_f6...ggflyM-KSK.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...gale_ah310.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...269_235327.jpg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...286/large.jpeg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VzYJLSe4V...0/DSC_1148.jpg
Underside; HW narrow white band, no black bar.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ypHe_TkoY...0/DSC_1173.jpg
Hypolimnas misippus.
Male.
1. FW with three apical spots.
2. FW discal white patch comprise five distinct spots.
3. HW white discal patch large extending well beyond the common origin of veins 3 & 4.
4. Underside HW broad white band with a black bar in space 7.
Males.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...mes%20chia.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...271/large.jpeg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...287/large.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oogGzRNd8...y-NelsonO2.jpg
Attachment 28197
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Dear Doctor Seow,
A couple of butterfly i require confirmation
1 - pelopidas mathias?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/151580313
2 - Eurema simulatrix?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/151580267
3 - potanthus with a black band on its end
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/151580250
Skipping regards
Zicky
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