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    Quote Originally Posted by Saffron View Post
    Thank you so much Dr. Seow for all your review and detailed discussion.
    I got quite confused on
    18. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...1&d=1737379694
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...2&d=1737380401

    Here are the specimen images of this above attached individual collected.

    No. 18 Revision

    Attachment 28739 Attachment 28740

    Does this match Amblychia pardicelata?

    After going through some web searches and taxonomic review of the old literature, this also has resemblance with A. hymenaria.

    Kindly help me out in this case.

    Literature suggest the underside of A. pardicelata to be whitish with a large black spot at the end of the discal area.

    This is perhaps a male individual.
    What a terrible confusing mess.
    You are right.
    It should be Amblychia hymenaria.

    In SE Asia including neigbouring Thailand, A. hymenaria have a distinct oblique white FW band.
    https://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-1...miini_22_3.php
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1415534380
    https://data.nhm.ac.uk/search
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2598681142

    Strange to have banded form in S, India.(Correction : female have stronger band.)
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/3988792638

    Hampson's description.
    https://archive.org/details/moths03h...p?view=theater

    Matching images.
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...6ef6fe61-1.jpg
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...6ef6fe61-2.jpg



    Amblychia nimia.
    Prout's description.
    https://archive.org/details/novitate...p?view=theater
    Prout indicate Hampson's description of A. hymenaria should be A. procellosa, but 'procellosa' is now a junior synonym of hymenaria.
    Correction: Prout was referring to Warren's description of hymenaria which should be procellosa.
    Note UnF heavy with confluent spots.
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...549b2b28-2.jpg
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...549b2b28-1.jpg


    Amblychia pardicellata
    Walker's description
    https://archive.org/details/listofsp...p?view=theater
    Warren's
    https://archive.org/details/moths03h...p?view=theater

    More or less matching images.
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...fd44b281-2.jpg
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...fd44b281-1.jpg

    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...63c10d6b-2.jpg
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...63c10d6b-1.jpg


    TL Seow: Cheers.
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    Likely an intermediate cross, possibly with nimia.
    The underside is as in hymenaria, but the white patch beyond the discal spot is rather weak
    PS2.
    All forms of A. hymenaria typically have some form of an oblique band on the FW.
    From India & Sri Lanka.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gall...n_key=11560614
    Guenee's description of A. hymenaria is in French.
    His description of the underside is as follow.
    White underside, whipped with black, with a wide black border indented at the terminal edge by white spots that are missing between 1 and 1'.
    Last edited by Psyche; 02-Feb-2025 at 01:05 AM.

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    18. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...0&d=1738263113

    Note Hampson's description of A. pardicelata.page 250
    https://archive.org/details/moths03h...p?view=theater
    1. Differ from hymenaria in being paler & browner.
    2. Abdomen yellow beneath.
    3. Und white ,with black discal spot & submarginal patches to each wing.
    4 Ssp megaspilata large, like hymenaria ,underside with complete submarginal band.

    A. hymenaria showing abdomen colour.
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...6ef6fe61-2.jpg
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1415534380

    A. pardicelata showing distinct yellow abdomen.
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...fd44b281-2.jpg
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...63c10d6b-1.jpg

    If you have the specimen you may want to check the abdomen if it is ssp megaspilata of A. pardicelata.

    TL Seow: Cheers.
    PS.
    This is likely to be an example of ssp megaspilata as it has a complete submarginal band.
    (Correction: This is a misID of a Chorodna sp.? creataria.)
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4917413768
    In NE India there will be all range of intermediates between ssp pardicelata and ssp megaspilata.

    PS2.
    Hampson's description of ssp megaspilata seem in error.

    Here is the original author ,Warren's description .
    Megaspilata means large spotted, and Warren was referring to the large UnH submarginal spots.
    There should not be a complete band there.
    page 430.
    https://archive.org/details/novitate...p?view=theater
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    Thank you for this detailed review. All the ID pointers perhaps suggest it to be A. hymenaria. The underside matches hymenaria, but the white patch beyond the discal spot is rather weak.

    Here is the close view of the abdomen following Hampson's description of A. pardicelata
    Abdomen does not seem to be yellow beneath

    DSC_3635.jpg DSC_3637.jpg

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    18 Best left as Amblychia hymenaria.
    I still think there is a hybrid element.


    42. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...3&d=1738525066

    This has also been identified as Nosophora semtritalis but I think it is a different species.
    FW postmedial is like a wine-glass, with the lower spot much reduced.

    Typical N. semitritalis can be seen from HongKong & Taiwan.
    The FW postmedial is like a fig of eight ,the two spots large.
    Hongkong.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169603354
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/210663218
    Taiwan.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/3342634330
    Arunachal Pradesh
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...856_281167.jpg
    The one with the postmedial like a wine-glass runs from Yunnan to West Behgal .
    Yunnan.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/itchyd...s/21567709959/
    India.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4846947379
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...817_250603.jpg

    No literature.


    43. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...4&d=1738525183
    This does look correct as C. olivescens.
    In particular, the ground is darker & the HW discal spot is large.

    There seem a whole range of intermediates between typical C. sublsvsria & C. olivescens.

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    44.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...7&d=1738525419

    Likely to be Teldenia specca.

    There are a lot of confusion between the three species, T. vestigiata, specca & alba.
    I will leave T. alba alone, its appearance is also confusingly similar to T. specca which seem to occur in Sri Lanka as well.

    T. vestgiata.
    FW submarginal lunules more regular & more or less parallel to the postmedial spots.
    Lower end of postmedial spots le3ss convex.
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...694_280741.jpg
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...8f5cc504-1.jpg
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...1f38f990-1.jpg
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/3005168998


    T. specca widespread from India to PNG.
    FW submarginal lunules highly irregular, & not parallel to the postmedial.
    Lower part of postmedial less convex.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/5753203
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4908788568
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1990467555

    These look to be T. specca.
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...831230a9-1.jpg
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/sites/m...3e174dd2-1.jpg

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    45. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...8&d=1738525674
    Bradina admixtalis looks the correct match.
    There is very little literature on Bradina.


    46.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...9&d=1738525970

    Hypena indicatalis is very close & very likely the correct match.
    https://www.gbif.org/es/occurrence/4126972900
    https://www.gbif.org/es/occurrence/4453880576


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    PS.
    Now more often known as Dichromia indicatalis.
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    Thank you Seow sir for such detailed discussion. Was busy in some office work these days. Hardly got time to follow the discussion. But back to my field work again.
    The keys of the genus Teldenia are very helpful.
    The remarks on the Nosophora species is very interesting. I also do feel there may be another species that is perhaps narrowed down as Nosophora semtritalis with the Fw lower spots typically reduced.

    Cheers
    Saffron

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saffron View Post
    Thank you Seow sir for such detailed discussion. Was busy in some office work these days. Hardly got time to follow the discussion. But back to my field work again.
    The keys of the genus Teldenia are very helpful.
    The remarks on the Nosophora species is very interesting. I also do feel there may be another species that is perhaps narrowed down as Nosophora semtritalis with the Fw lower spots typically reduced.

    Cheers
    Saffron

    In going through the Nosophora ,the forms with the lower postmedial spot large occur in the east ie, Hk, Taiwan ,Korea, & Japan.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4067374591
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1934786822
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4904286639
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4867835992

    The forms with the lower postmedial spot reduced is mainly in NE India.
    https://www.mothsofindia.org/Nosophora-semitritalis

    Since the author below is pretty accurate with his IDs, N. semitritalis should be correct.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/itchyd...s/21567709959/


    TL Seow: Cheers.

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    These are from my recent survey. I have tried my level best to id them. Kindly review them and help me in their identification,


    47. Closest match Oxaenanus brontesalis

    DSC_3609.jpg



    48. Closest Match Callopistria exotica?

    DSC_3731.jpg



    49. Closest match Yashmakia suffusa?

    DSC_3814.jpg



    50. Closest match Penicillifera apicalis?

    DSC_3868.jpg



    51. Xeropteryx columbicola?

    Xeropteryx columbicola.jpg



    52. Acolutha flavipictaria?

    Acolutha flavipictaria.jpg



    53. Leucoblepsis ostia?

    Leucoblepsis ostia.jpg



    54. Filodes fulvidorsalis?

    Filodes fulvidorsalis.jpg



    55. Krananda falcata?

    Krananda falcata.jpg



    56. Caenurgina erechtea

    DSC_3889.jpg



    57. Catoria olivescens? Two different individuals

    DSC_3977.jpg

    DSC_3981.jpg



    58. Not sure

    DSC_3907.jpg



    59. Amyna sp. not sure

    DSC_3960.jpg



    60. Hypomecis sp.? not sure

    DSC_3990.jpg



    61. Not sure

    DSC_3885.jpg




    Thank you in advance
    Cheers: Saffron

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