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    Default Id need confirmation

    Good evening Dr. Seow Sir...

    1. Is it Celatoxia marginata?
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    2. Neptis capnodes?
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    Thank you in advance

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    1. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...9&d=1744731456
    Celastrina lavendularis.

    All Celastrina have halos around the dark spots although it may be hard to see in some shots.
    C. lavendularis have spot 7 (& some sub-basal spots) very dark.
    FW postdiscal & submarginal spots always well separated.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/80870010.html
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Ce...ularis-limbata


    Celatoxia marginata.
    This is marked as in C. lavendularis.
    Halos may be faintly present, but largely absent.
    Note following important details.
    a. FW postdiscal spots larger and darker than the HW postdiscal spots.
    b. FW postdiscal spots set closer to the margin, so in space 3, the submarginal & postdiscal spots are almost touching.

    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/80850001.html
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...aMFUpUnAC1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...unte_ag751.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...dde0994b-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...4d3fd3-1_1.jpg
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Ce...nata-marginata

    There are many error images on the web.
    Last edited by Psyche; 16-Apr-2025 at 10:06 PM.

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    2. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...0&d=1744731485
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...1&d=1744731501

    Neptis clinia.

    Neptis W.png
    Three species may look similar in their spots appearance.
    They share one feature.
    HW discal white band include a small white patch at the base of space 3 as it cross the base.


    Neptis soma.
    HW base of space 3 may or may not have a white patch.
    FW submarginal spots at apex distinctly bent in.
    FW subapical spots 5 & 6 of about equal size.
    HW discal band widens upwards to the costa, but hardly noticeable in fieldshot.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720180010.html
    https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/Neptis-soma-shania
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...16560c52-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...31c671-2_1.jpg


    Neptis capnodes pandoces.
    HW almost always with a white patch at the base of space 3.
    FW with the postdiscal spots relatively broad (as in N. soma);spot 3 large, at least about 2/3 of spot 2.
    FW subapical spot 5 much smaller than spot 6.
    FW submarginal spots bent in slightly at apex.
    HW discal band slightly wider at costa (not noticeable in fieldshot.)
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720170010.html
    https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterfl...ptis-capnodes/


    Neptis clinia.
    HW usually with a white patch at the base of space 3.
    Generally browner with diffuse striaes between spots.
    FW subapical spot 6 larger (as in N. capnodes).
    FW submarginal spots at apex more gently curved or bent in.
    FW postdiscal spots more rounded, always well-separated, spot 3 small .
    HW discal band of uniform width.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720120010.html
    https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/N...clinia-susruta
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...3cf10813-1.jpg
    substituted image.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...ccd39e-1_0.jpg


    TL Seow; Cheers.
    Removed linked image. This looks to be N. sappho. Note fracture line on cell-bar.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...e537b397-1.jpg
    Compare valid images of N. sappho.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720140010.html
    Last edited by Psyche; 17-Apr-2025 at 06:40 AM.

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    I just realised that N. sappho is also very similar to N. clinia

    N. sappho.
    Ground a darker black with little of the diffuse striae.
    Cell0bar more often with a fractured line.
    Underside orange-brown.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/925599210
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/925595568
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/925601422
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/925596608
    https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/Neptis-sappho-astola
    https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/N...clinia-susruta


    TL Seow: Cheers.

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    Thank you so much sir...

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